Navigating a Health Odyssey: From Flesh-Eating Bacteria to Plant-Powered Renewal with Cassie Moore

Step into a realm where courage meets transformation, as I, Stephanie Smith, engage my sister Cassie Moore in a stirring conversation about her health odyssey. Imagine facing down a flesh-eating bacteria and then, with unwavering determination, grappling with type 2 diabetes. That's Cassie's reality, and her shift from a conventional diet to a life-affirming whole food plant-based approach is a narrative ripe with hope and practical insights for anyone looking to revitalize their health. Our talk isn't just about the food on our plates; it's a deeper dive into how these choices echo in our sexual well-being and become a catalyst for profound change.

Witness a family's collective journey toward vitality as we uncover the layers of adopting a new dietary lifestyle, complete with its hurdles and high points. You'll hear about my own passage from a meat-focused diet to one that celebrates plant-powered nourishment, ignited by a desire to nurture my body back to health. We'll also wade into the refreshing waters of exercise innovation, sharing how the humble vibration plate has become an unexpected ally in our quest for fitness. Embark on this episode not just to hear a story of personal triumph, but to be swept up in the laughter, love, and legacy of a family's unwavering commitment to total well-being. Join us, and perhaps you'll be inspired to cultivate your own garden of health and happiness.

12/30/23

Chapters

• 0:00 Whole Food Plant-Based Diets
• 18:52 Whole Food Plant-Based Diet Transition
• 32:40 Vibrating Plate Benefits and Health

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:45

Hello and welcome back to let's Talk About Sex with me, your host, stephanie Smith. I am here today with a special guest. I have to read I did put something together because I love this. Now everyone knows that I talk about. Sex is better when you're healthy. So this is my vibe a day keeps the doctor away, incorporated with hello, you need to eat good too. So I mean they just they go hand in hand, kind of that's my take. So get ready to meet an absolute powerhouse, the one, the only one-thumb wonder, who's been slaying challenges like they're going out of style. She's battled flesh-eating bacteria and set it packing, and now she's giving type 2 diabetes a run for its money. She's the queen of resilience, the empress of empowerment and the Duchess of determination. Armed with just one thumb but a heart of gold. She's here to share her incredible journey of triumph and tenacity. Get ready for a rollercoaster ride of inspiration and laughter. This is my sister, cassie Moore.

Speaker 2: 2:02

Hello, that was awesome. I mean thank you, that's great.

Speaker 1: 2:11

It's a good thing that our family totally laughs about the one-thumb and you know so many people go. You just talk so calmly about it and just, and I'm like, well, if you saw how our family took it and how she did and her husband embraced it and the kids and all of that, it had to be that because it was such a traumatic experience. So that's why, yes, today we can laugh about it. So, thumbs up, cass, there you go, and she gets that one nail done. It's just awesome. And it's green, see, minor green too for St Patty's Day, yay, yes.

Speaker 1: 2:53

So we have to say slonche is tonche, which is health and wealth, and Gaelic, very nice, yes, learning a little bit of Irish here, okay. So let me just say the Western diet has gots to go, it's gots to go. So today we're going to. You know, it's funny. Hypocrite said let food be thy medicine. Okay, and I love this Chinese proverb she who takes medicine and neglects to diet waste the skill of the doctor. Wow, I like those two. And so here we go. Let's start from the beginning. Like what went through your mind the day you got your diagnosis of type two diabetes.

Speaker 2: 3:48

I freaked out, totally freaked out, because all I could think about and I know it may seem irrational, but for me it isn't All I can think about is more amputations.

Speaker 1: 4:02

Oh, wow, and that's so true. That's what can happen.

Speaker 2: 4:07

The fear just gripped me yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:10

Wow, I know.

Speaker 2: 4:12

That's pretty, I am chilled.

Speaker 1: 4:14

Yeah, like I have chills, like oh my God, I didn't even think of that, but wow.

Speaker 2: 4:19

I know that's not the only side effect or the only health ramification of type two diabetes, but for me that was the one that stuck out and the eyes of the text, yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:32

Wow, yeah. So after that, what made you? What was it? What made you? What was the first thought that came to mind?

Speaker 2: 4:45

I need to figure out how to not allow this to progress to that point where I'm facing more amputations. So I went on a journey to find healthy ways to eat, started monitoring my blood sugar At the time I was still at the pre-diabetes stage, so I felt like I could, you know, get healthy and keep control of this. I won't ever go full-blown and my fear of further amputations won't be realized and I spent a lot, many years trying all kinds of diets, all kinds of ways you know to lose weight, and nothing worked Absolutely nothing worked. I was able to keep my blood sugar in some sort of control, but until about three years ago, and then it just went cat-ing-walk-this and I haven't been able to control it since.

Speaker 1: 5:43

So let's just say, how many years have you been on this journey? 15. 15 years. You were told that. Yeah, okay, and your amputations were 25 years ago, right, 26 this year. Yeah, so 10 years after that. And you've been struggling with that for 15 years in your mind about your amputations. Oh my God, what am I going to do? Trying different things, different things, wow, okay. So what then? Was that specific moment that said I've got to change my life? I mean, what was it that you decided to? I know you've been doing all these different diets, but something radically changed recently.

Speaker 2: 6:29

Last May I had my blood work done and my A1C was 5.8 and had gone. So I found an article that talked about reducing your carbohydrates to 50 grams a day no more 10 a meal. So I went for six months on an extremely restrictive carbohydrate, low fat diet, cutting out anything that had carbs in it and only eating protein and vegetables. That was it. It was tough. I mean, at six months it was tough eating that way and I was really excited in November to have my blood work done because I figured I'd been working so hard for six months and when my A1C came back and I had jumped another two points to 6.0, I just lost it. I just collapsed inward and our son and daughter-in-law came for Thanksgiving and they had just gone vegetarian and they looked amazing. They looked healthy. Our son, who struggled with acne his face was completely clear, she was two weeks away from giving birth and looked so amazing. And so we talked about what they were doing and because of the numbers the 6.0, and I was freaking out I decided to do a little research and he had pointed me to a Netflix documentary called how to Live to be a Hundred.

Speaker 2: 8:11

It talked about the blue zones. So I started watching that and from there I kind of went down a radical and I discovered Forks Over Nights, which is another documentary on. You can watch it on the internet or on 2V. And then I discovered Mastering Diabetes. So I spent a week after Thanksgiving just doing the research on whole food, plant-based eating, what that meant, what it would do for the diabetes, for all of the other heart, liver, kidney issues and then December 1st I just made that decision that this was what I was going to try. I had tried everything else.

Speaker 1: 9:02

So tell us what, for those of us who might not know what whole foods, because I didn't tell you. Told me. But what does that mean? Whole foods, plant? To me it sounds like, oh my God, it's like it's nothing. But so let us take away this misconception that people have about whole foods plant-based.

Speaker 2: 9:24

A whole food, plant-based diet prioritizes plant food and minimizes processed food and animal products. It is not necessarily a set diet, it's more of a lifestyle. It's not a quote unquote diet. Plant-based diets can vary depending on the extent to which you decide you're going to include animal products in your diet. For me, it's none right now. The basic principles of a plant-based diet is minimally processed foods Sorry, bug emphasizes whole, minimally processed foods, limits and avoids animal products, focuses on plants, including vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, seeds and nuts, which make up the majority of what you eat. And it excludes refined foods and added sugars, white flour and any processed oil. So we don't do any oil, any sugar, just all plants, fruits, vegetables, whole grains. And it gets confused a lot with vegan and vegetarian and though they're similar in some ways, these diets are not the same. They are very different.

Speaker 1: 11:02

Sorry, mike, we have this air thing going on so you might hear me do a little clear outs. Okay, now, still, that sounds horrible. So how did you kick off your new journey with that? I mean, I know, well, let's just go back to what it meant to really do that. Why did you decide to go whole foods, plant-based? I know that you've watched these things, but what did you find inside of that, so that we can kind of give a little bit of a nugget for people to go and watch these Netflix series, because they will learn a lot?

Speaker 2: 11:44

I think the most important thing was all the science behind eating whole food, plant-based. Yes. How we can reverse diabetes Yay, that's what got me. It can help reverse or even curtail, stop the progression of heart disease. Alzheimer's I have, you know, because of getting sick. I have issues with my kidneys. It can help heal my kidneys. I've got fatty liver disease from the diabetes and through all that I went through with getting sick. It can help heal that. I've got heart issues. It can reverse heart disease. That was incredible, yes. And the cancer that's huge it is. We can be born with cancer genes.

Speaker 1: 12:41

Which we are, you and I are. We found this out, yes.

Speaker 2: 12:46

But a whole food, plant-based diet doesn't feed the genes where animal products and dairy actually feed those cancer cells.

Speaker 1: 12:59

The science proves it. I mean everything that the science proves the way of eating the whole foods, plant-based versus the animal. You know, diet it's carnivore, yeah, I just I've heard so many people say that that's such a great way to go. And then now, after watching the Netflix series the twin experiment I know you're on, you know that I like that one that you told me to go and watch, and I've watched a few others and then did my own research. It's incredible and we can reverse all of our health issues by ourselves. Okay, with purely diet.

Speaker 1: 13:41

And what has happened, and especially with that Netflix series, that I learned was one to 2% of our cancer and dementia is caused by our genes and the rest of it is by what we intake. So all the processed food, the fried foods, the oils, the meats because if you go and look, 80% of milk is casein and casein is cancer causing and it's all in even meat. I have friends that even I've been trying to. I'm like you know they love their meat and they're oh well, I get grass, fat beef that comes from the grass, they eat it and then it's even like they they massage it. All this stuff. I'm like, okay, so I did some more research. I'm like, well, that's probably a good thing, okay, well, that all meat has casein in it, all meat, all fish, I don't care if it comes from wherever, it all has casein and casein is cancer causing.

Speaker 1: 14:43

And that's the thing that people need to realize is that we're actually and the world has been developed these McDonald's. I'm not bashing on anything because we're not changing everyone's thinking. This is not going to change everyone's thinking, but this will change those that are really at their wits end of maybe some health issues that they can't go anywhere else, like you have been. And even let's just say even you going on the whole foods, plant based diet, you still have had a little bit of issues. Okay, so let's talk about that, because you still couldn't get your, your blood sugars to the place that you needed it to go to, and that's why you turn to the diabetes, that's why you turn to Mastery diabetes. So please tell us about what they told you about diet.

Speaker 2: 15:41

But I've read the book and everything that they talked about in our first session was exactly what I read in the book. And what changed for me with working with a coach was just small tweaks to my diet, because I was already eating whole food, plant based, but with with prediabetes, with diabetes, it's important that you eat less than 30 grams of fat a day, specifically less than 10 or 10 or less per meal. So here I was, I was eating less than 30 a day, but my breakfast was my smoothie, which had 20. Okay, I had my flax seed and I put all of my supplements, you know flax seed, chia seeds, hemp seeds, wheat germ, all of that so I could get it all in my smoothie, and so it was like 20 grams of fat, but then the rest of the day I ate less than 10. So I thought I was pretty good, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:53

So just that tweak we're now doing. We're I'm doing my chia seeds and my flax seeds and I'm using that Sprinkle over the fruit, which I hadn't thought of. It's been amazing. My blood sugars are stabilizing and I'm going on. Tuesday will be two weeks and already I'm seeing lower blood sugars, more stability than I have, and and I've you know I'm keep losing, I keep losing weight, so it's been a good thing. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 17:26

We are going to get into. How did you jump off that cliff and get into it? But first, you just had your blood work done, yes, and we just got the results, and I really want this before. It kind of is a slam dunk for me, you know what I mean. It kind of like nails it for me for a lot of things and I think it might hit it for people. So why don't you talk about your recent blood test and when you get it and what the results were?

Speaker 2: 17:52

So November, end of November, I know, just like I still do a half dance and in November I had the blood work done and it was 6.0. November, December 1st, I started Whole Foods. So it's three months on Whole Foods and the blood work done again and the result was 5.4.

Speaker 1: 18:13

That's awesome. We dropped it.

Speaker 2: 18:17

Yeah, 6 to 5.4.

Speaker 1: 18:20

That's a big deal, so huge deal, yeah, and that's only in December, january, right February.

Speaker 2: 18:34

Okay.

Speaker 1: 18:35

So now you're doing your new, okay, exactly. So how long is that? Three months, so then after that. So then can you imagine what it's going to be like? Yeah, I'm very excited.

Speaker 2: 18:53

How about your other levels? Everything else was good. Everything else was good. Yeah, my cholesterol is still a little high, but you know that's because it was already high with, you know, having diabetes. It's dropped, though, significantly. I think in May it was 256 and now it's 186. Oh, that's huge.

Speaker 1: 19:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:20

Because my body doesn't work normally. You know, everything is a little off. It's just going to take a little longer for the cholesterol to drop down under 100, which is where we want it Under 200. Well, my cholesterol is already under 200, because that's what the total cholesterol it's my HDL, no, my LDL, that's still over 100. It's just 126, so I'm not that far off.

Speaker 1: 19:52

Yeah, yeah. What is your goal for your A1C?

Speaker 2: 20:00

Well, 4.8 to 5.6 is normal.

Speaker 1: 20:08

Oh, okay, so there you go, you went into normal range.

Speaker 2: 20:12

I went into normal. So the goal now that my A1C is in a normal range wonderful. But that doesn't mean I have reversed diabetes or pre-diabetes. I haven't. They say that it takes about a year at having a low A1C. With your numbers, you know, your daily numbers being stable. You can actually then say I have reversed diabetes. So my goal now is to help heal my kidneys, my livers, my heart, my brain. That's the goal. I've got my number down great, but I have all the other little pieces that I need to start focusing on. How do I help heal my liver, kestrel, kestrel packs, what can I do for my kidneys, you know, and my heart, and get my cholesterol down and focus more on how do I what foods do I need to eat to really help in the next three months, focus on dropping that cholesterol down to the safe range for a diabetic?

Speaker 1: 21:26

Okay. So the reason why I wanted to get those numbers out and then be able to like say, how did you jump off that cliff to kick off this? Because those I want to office this my sister and her husband are avid hunters and fishermen. People fisher ladies and this is what they do for like their whole life. So to go from, you know, not having meat I mean so you guys were all about meat and barbecuing and marinating and smoking for hours and days, and you guys have that set up Okay, outside, and to go from that to not was probably a household, a big work. I mean, a lot of stuff happened in the house, I'm sure right, and you and Dan right. So how did you do it?

Speaker 2: 22:28

Well, I just after doing the research, seeing that it's possible that I could reverse the diabetes, I jumped Dan, I decided and did it. Dan said oh no, no, no, no, no, no. And I said fine, I'll eat and prepare the meals, set a big salad, which you have no problem with, and then you can just eat your meat. After I started to feel so good and I said you know, can you please just watch this forks over nights documentary, just so you can see where I'm coming from, so you can at least understand what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Okay, please. So he did.

Speaker 2: 23:15

Now this was after he had made what are those things called he old pork? No, it wasn't pulled pork, it was carne asadas. He made carne asadas, smoked the pork for two days with pineapple and they gorged themselves, him and William, for a couple of days. And so he wasn't. When he, when he was started to watch this documentary, he was feeling pretty crappy because they had eaten so much, and so he watched, started to watch it, and in 20 minutes he comes out to me and says okay, I got it, let's do it. That was it. He was like I get it because he has so many physical issues, you know, high blood pressure, bad knees, bad shoulders, aches and pains, arthritis he has all this physical stuff that's going on with him and so and he was feeling so awful that day when he watched it and that was it he just said let's do it.

Speaker 2: 24:26

So we did, and when we started I said, okay, well, let's just use, I want to lose this weight that I've gone on. And I said, okay, well, then what we'll do is we'll go through a weight loss stage where we'll lose whatever weight and when you get to the point where you want, then we can add stuff back in. So it won't be forever. You won't. You'll, you know, don't have to go the rest of your life not eating meat because he is carnivore and yeah, and we just started and he's had tri-tip wraps. We've had company over and you know I have my vegetarian meal and everyone's eaten tri-tip wraps, or we've actually had company over where we didn't eat any we ate what our normal meal is and made them something. We made them fish or we made them, you know, pasta with halibut and crab and and we didn't eat it.

Speaker 2: 25:22

But you know, now he's down what? 35 pounds, so he's starting to add a little bit in? I'm not, yet I don't feel a need to. I don't really. My taste buds have changed so drastically that I'm enjoying so much what I'm eating that I'm not. I am having one little craving, and that's fish and chips. Stands, fish and chips. That's not the only thing I'm craving, but not so much that I'm going to eat it yet.

Speaker 1: 25:55

So switching gears can be really tough. Okay, it can be really tough. I mean people. You know, when I talk to people about this, they're like, oh, I don't think so. So what hurdles did you run into that? Did you have to jump over that you could talk to other people about? You know what I mean. To help them, yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:22

Actually didn't run into any hurdles, because the fear I had of more imputations was my motivation. So for me, because that fear gripped me was constantly there, I didn't, I just made the decision and did it. Okay, I did and. But I know, like other people in our circle that have had, who have thought about changing or who are, you know, considering going whole food plant based, they are hitting hurdles and that is giving up the meat and that's why I told Dan when we started and he made the decision to begin, it's not forever, you can still, and if you don't have to lose weight you're doing this just for your health then you can have, you know, meat a few times a month. Dan read an article that said you can have animal products up to six times a month and it will not derail you from your whole food plant based health journey.

Speaker 1: 27:35

So that's awesome. I'll give a couple of pointers, because I didn't have the fear gripping that you did, but I had the need to do it for myself. Or, like my blood pressure, I do have a high LDL, always have and quite frankly, I mean, I, you know, I love, I'm a foodie, I love food. So but what I found once you started giving me the diet, the, you sent me a bunch of recipes and I started making the recipes and I'm like, oh my God, this is really good, you know. And then I started incorporating my own stuff and how to make things and, just, I was not, I was probably eating more eggs and then, of course, meat every day or every other day, and so that's those were the big changers is no eggs and but maybe once or twice a month and now, and meat maybe once a week, once every two weeks, fish once every two weeks.

Speaker 1: 28:48

I've changed it. I hate tofu. Okay, I cannot stand tofu. There's something about it in my mouth and my tongue. It just makes me feel extremely weird. Okay, I can do a lot of other things in my mouth, but I can't do photo. Sorry about that, okay.

Speaker 1: 29:07

Anyway, so one of the things that I like is falafels. I make my own falafels. I love falafels. I make them for my wraps, I do all these kinds of different things, you know. So I love my falafels and I'll go and get other kinds of you know. You know, pasta, the beans, the chickpeas, all that kind of stuff so flavorful. You know, I have my girlfriend who is here over the weekend. She's a fabulous cook, so she's like oh, let's do this. You told me about couscous, so I made couscous, I did a bunch of stuff. She added a bunch of stuff. It was like phenomenal, you know. So it's like I think that people think and I will say one thing that was a game changer for me too Thinking about having to chop up all the vegetables is kind of a pain in the ass.

Speaker 1: 30:00

So you sending me that chopper, I think, has made a huge difference. It's not so, oh my God, this recipe calls for a whole onion to be chopped. You know it's like. You know it's a lot of work, and so now it's become even easier, and now I'm even making even better dishes because of that, and I make my own salsa kind of stuff for my whole grain chips that I get at Costco and I. So I do chips.

Speaker 1: 30:29

I do my beet hummus. I make that every week I do. I'm kind of a weekly person, so I do. I do it every other week and then I have it for the week. So I do my beet hummus, I do my juicing, I do my. I love my beans and I make those into packages and then I just pull them out. So I think I do, I just freeze a little bit, I make the full thing and then I freeze and then I pull and I swear it's really been a game changer and it's so easy.

Speaker 1: 30:58

You know, you go to the farmer's market, pick up your vegetables that you need and, boom, you're eating it.

Speaker 1: 31:03

And you just have to think and like, like you said, like it's a lifestyle change.

Speaker 1: 31:10

I either have to decide that I want to get and eat healthier and be better or I'm going to just continue to go down that. I love the saying one of the doctors on forks over knives you can either eat your way into illness or you can eat your way out of into healthy. You have the choice. So that's really how it is and so many of us are, if that, watching that it's for 23 pounds overweight the average American on the Western diet. We suck here teaching everyone about health and we really need to have a better way of changing everyone's mind and thinking. And so last thing I just want to cover because we have so much more to cover but we'll do it in another podcast for 30 minutes you can't just do this alone with diet. On your American diet, on your you know the American diabetes, it says you have to do exercise. So talk about your, because it's not just that, it's exercise. So tell me about your exercise just for a brief moment. How many times a day are they recommending you to keep that?

Speaker 2: 32:29

To exercise Well, at least you know, four times a week. Usually is not by the day, it's, it's, at least you know three to four times a week. I've been doing the vibration plate that you got me started doing it since last August and before two weeks to three weeks ago I was doing it twice a day, 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes at night. And then I saw a YouTube video by the founders of Mastering Diabetes and they were recommending because I was still struggling with my blood sugar. This is before I started the coaching and they said go for a walk after every meal. And I'm like okay, well, I can't really go for a walk For multiple reasons. It's constantly pouring down rain here.

Speaker 2: 33:23

And and I my half foot. You know just that's what causes me all my pain. So I can only spend short, peer, short peer is a time on it. So I started doing the vibration plate three times a day. And how's that working? It's working out really well. Now, you know, when I was doing it twice a day, I was up at the highest level. So when I right I was at the highest level five on mine and so when I went to three times a day, adding that third time, I went all the way back down to the beginning to work myself up. Can't just boom, start doing it. It has to be gradual because your body has to adjust.

Speaker 1: 34:10

You realize 10 minutes of that vibration plate, which is the sessions that it is. 10 minutes equals one hour of running, and if you normally do not run for an hour on a treadmill then you might not want to be doing that. You know, it'll really shake you up. Yeah, I did have someone start with three times or doing it for 30 minutes and she couldn't walk for three days. So it's very important that you definitely start out slow doing the vibration plate and remember what it's doing, and I will be doing a live, so I'll be doing lives now and starting this next week. Today's my first live at 12, 15. And so we're going to do Q&A. So please hop on. And vibration plates do so much, but they're also something that you need to be precautionary and understand and make sure that you're not just, you know, being crazy. So but that that's awesome. So that's helped you with your, you know, exercise after each meal, and so for two weeks you've been down how many, how many pounds since you started Six and a half pounds.

Speaker 2: 35:21

That's a lot. That's a lot and I only weigh once a week. So because I get obsessive, so you know, as I said, I'm gradually increasing the vibration plate from the levels you know you can go up the levels and because my back has improved so much since I started the vibration plate Now I've been in therapy and we've talked about that on the other podcast. I'm going to start next week and go back to rowing. I love rowing and with the, in the last two weeks I've also started doing upper body workouts on on my my after my lunch. So on my lunch vibration I go down to the number one, actually, I sit on it and then I do a whole upper body workout. It's a good workout. It really works.

Speaker 2: 36:19

The the bat wings, so you know it's helped me with dropping the weight, with feeling so good, having so much energy and out more. I'm doing more. I love all the prep work with, so that's also. I'm doing more around the house, so that's even more activity. We're starting our garden. I'm going to be out in the garden more, so just all the way around. The health benefits that we're experiencing with eating this way at this new lifestyle has just been phenomenal. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:57

And I just want to bring back our listeners, who probably haven't seen maybe some of our other podcasts, my sister and I together. But we started this pod. We started this kind of journey last summer because of our mother not doing very well and of course, cassie had her own journey of the type two diabetes, but my mom wasn't doing well. So it certainly it kind of like how jump started things for us. We were like we got to get her better and then in the meantime we're getting ourselves better, so kind of actually worked out. And then it's funny because then it's become contagious in the family. My father, my brother, my sister-in-law, we've got friends, we've Dan, we've got family members, you've got your other son, I got my boys about ready to jump on it right now. So it's like you know it becomes contagious and when you think of it we're all going to live longer.

Speaker 1: 37:51

How well do you want to live? Do you want to live healthy and happy and vibrant and peacefully, die quick Boom, or do you really want to have a long death of pure illness? Always to the doctors and people taking care of you or ending up in a nursing home, and to me, I just want to live happily and healthy and be vibrant. And you know, good thing, I live in California. I can die at any time I want, if I have dementia and or any account of other health issue. But my thing is, why live unhealthily when you can live healthily and I feel so good, like my body feels good? I feel good, I've lost more weight since doing your. So I started the vibration plate that started the weight loss, then the diet, changing to the whole foods that helped, and so it's like everything just starts jumping and it becomes pretty easy, I think.

Speaker 1: 38:57

So let's, let's spend everything else. I know we've got other places to be. We've definitely have more to talk about with regards to recipes. Where do you go to get them? Let's talk about next time Places for people to go. There's a lot of vegan restaurants and there's ways to eat vegan when you go out to restaurants. So I've been learning that and I want to teach people that, because let's not be silly enough to think that we're not going to go out ever. We're going to go out, so all right. Well, thanks for joining me, cass. I'm so glad.

Speaker 1: 39:32

I'm so happy to be part of your type do diabetes journey of really honestly recovering and you're going to show people that they can do it too. That's awesome. All right, I love you, sister. Have a good one you too, bye, bye.